I saw this video over on the Richard Dawkins website today. It deals with the issue of what happens when people in the entertainment industry criticize aspects of religion.
I've made references in the past to the fact that Mormonism shares many commonalities with Islam, and I think this might be a good time to clarify where those commonalities lie.
First, I think saying that these two ideologies are equivalent would be intellectually dishonest, so let's just get that right off the table right now. While they both pray on people through teachings of blind obedience, Islam is far more extreme and dangerous that Mormonism.
Second, I would suggest that Mormonism has become more moderate in recent decades and so as time passes, the similarities will become even fewer as well.
In support of that assertion, perhaps a few pieces of interesting history from Mormonism...
The founder of Mormonism, one Joseph Smith was killed in 1844. Just some background on that...
Modern day Mormons are taught that he was martyred for his beliefs, but the facts are that he was on trial for the destruction of a privately owned printing press in Nauvoo. The reason for his actions, were that the press was going to be used to publicize his polygamous actions. Not only were these actions kept secret from the main body of the Church at the time, but they also involved marriages to 14 year old girls and other men's wives. He was a pedophile, an adulterer and all around hypocrite. While a murder without trial was definitely not how things should have been taken care of, he was not the innocent lamb being led to the slaughter that he and faithful Mormons since have claimed.
Much of the anger against him and his followers at the time had to do with his formation of a militia, and use of that militia against non-Mormons. His followers had also taken to block voting, where a leader would tell the congregation how to vote, and they would all vote for the specified candidate like sheep. Bring up any memories from the whole Prop 8 debacle?!?
Anyway, back to the topic at hand. Following his murder by a mob, he became and remains a heroic martyr for Mormons worldwide. He made a statement once that had he lived to be an elder gentleman, his work was so important, that Christ would have returned during his lifetime. Such is his appeal to the saints. With this charismatic leader now dead, the ensuing leaders of the religion altered the temple ceremony through which all devout members must pass. The ceremony included an oath taken by all present to avenge the blood of the prophets. Over time this morphed into a prayer to simply have God avenge their deaths and then it was removed all together.
In a similar vein is the doctrine taught by Joseph Smith's successor, one Brigham Young, of Blood Atonement. The idea here was that some sins where so severe that only by shedding ones own blood could that individual have a hope of attaining salvation. Crimes for which a person might be condemned for this including a variety of sexual sins like adultery, up to and including the cardinal sin, according to Young of miscegeny. Wikipedia has an excellent article on the teachings, which I would highly recommend.
Perhaps the idea of blood atonement hits a little close to home for me, because based on it's teachings, my current attitude towards the LDS Church and this blog would condemn me to either submit to voluntary blood atonement myself, or else being ritually killed by righteous members as a way of saving my soul. While it isn't still taught, many members, including some of my own relation, still believe aspects of this doctrine.
In an attempt to wrap this all up before it turns into a long and drawn out post...
I believe that there are members within the LDS Church today, who would kill if directed to by their Church leaders. I suspect an even great percentage would not be willing to do so themselves, but would remain as equal participants in the spilling of blood, by remaining silent.
If the modern leaders of the LDS Church ever did try and pull this off however, much of their work to try and modernize the Church and integrate it into the current mainstream movement of modern Christianity would be for naught. But I believe that the potential is still there.
I'll finish with this wonderful quote I saw in a photo last week.
Science flies you to the Moon, Religion flies you into Buildings.
I've enjoyed reading your blog for a while but have never commented. I too no longer believe everything I hear at church though we are still active. I am now glad that my husband and I have never been through the temple. Could you give me the titles of the best unbiased books or websites on Joseph Smith and his polygamy and martydom. Like I said, we are still active and I do like the morals the church teaches my kids (and we do live in Utah so it's a little difficult to just leave the Mormon community completely behind) but I want to be able to tell them the truth about this all by using good, honest sources. Thanks!
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Hi Kit!
ReplyDeleteWell first, thanks for reading! I always get a thrill when I discover a new reader.
The problem with a character like Joseph Smith is that he tends to be very polarizing, people either love and worship him, or hate and despise him.
But with that said, I would highly recommend "Rough Stone Rolling" by Richard Lyman Bushman.
It should be available at Deseret Book (That's where I got my copy), and it's by an active LDS Author. I believe he may have held a position as Church Historian as well at some point.
He tries to be very unbiased and I think he did a great job. In a few cases I thought I could detect him attempting to put a pro-LDS spin on some of the facts, but generally the facts are presented and he lets them speak for themselves.
It is a heavy read though and to be honest I've never made it the whole way through. I generally just look up topics which interest me, like polygamy and things like the council of 50.
Another really good site is MormonThink.com I'm not sure how much that has on Joseph Smith particularly, but it was one members attempt to try and put the pro and anti sides together and find the parts in both with were true.
I hear you on the difficulties with leaving, since I'm kind of in that boat myself. I was actually working for the corporation of the president myself when I found all of this stuff, and goal number one for me at the time, was just to find another job as soon as possible. I did, but I'm still in a very pro-LDS environment, and then problem is that being an apostate of sorts could cause problems for me, should the bosses ever find out.
My wife and I are still trying to figure out how we're going to approach this with our kids. We don't want them to ever feel like they have to believe something or not, and so we're trying to teach them to think critically for themselves. It's a tricky line to walk, especially with my wife and I differing in our beliefs on the nature of God and things like that.
I was just thinking about this yesterday. I have left the church. I have lost 2 dear friends over it. They didn't like that I could make fun of mormonism. But I'm sure they all laugh at Scientology jokes.
ReplyDeleteMore seriously, after I learned of blood atonement, I imagined one of my brothers and my father "doing their duty" for my soul. Fanatics.
I have been reading through Rough Stone Rolling and it has been quite fascinating. I would agree that it is probably one of the most unbiased books, but when it comes to Joseph Smith, no one ever truly is. It is a long read, but very well worth it. Bushman presents Smith as a man with faults and some strange behavior, but also as the Prophet nonetheless. There are some areas that have really pissed me off to think that I believed in him for much of my life.
ReplyDeleteCaraDee... Yep! If I'm ever summoned before a disciplinary council, I mean 'Council of Love', I'd like to pose that question to all those present... If Tommy Monson walked in here, pronounced the sentence of death on my head for apostasy from the Church, and handed you a gun... Who among you would have the guts to pull the trigger?
ReplyDeleteI could then divide those present into Religious Zealots who are no better than the terrorists who perpetrated 9/11 and hypocrites who are no better than me because they don't sustain their leaders.
Bowie... I think we're all at, going through, or have been through that stage of general pissed offedness at having been lied to. And then it's hard not to hold it against those who lied to you, because they may have had the best of intentions, but have been likewise duped.
"Myth is what we call other people's religion." — Joseph Campbell.
ReplyDeleteThanks Koda. I almost got that book over Christmas with a gift card to Barnes and Noble but opted for something more light and entertaining. I think I'm going to have to get it now that I'm done with school until fall and have more time. I'll definitely check out MormonThink.com too.
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Annonymous,
ReplyDeleteOne of the best books I have read on Joseph Smith and polygamy is a book called In Sacred Loneliness. The book is very matter of fact and doesn't come with a lot of emotional fanfare. It is well referenced and VERY well documented. It is written by Todd Compton. The author pieces together the New and Everlasting covenant of plural marriage through diaries and journals. I HIGHLY recommend it to anyone interested in the history of the LDS church or that is a Mormon. Most of what is taught today is nothing like the church worked in the past.
-Chris Maloy
I think I've said this before, but...
ReplyDeleteSomeone once told me that, though she didn't believe in a church, she still thought church was good for children, as 'moral instruction'.
I replied, "How moral is it to tell lies to children?"
I think that most atheist or agnostic parents have more moral authority than any church I know. No child will be harmed by not having evil old men telling them their phony stories.
Hi Kit,
ReplyDeleteI'd also highly recommend "Mormon Enigma: Emma Hale Smith" by Linda King Newell and Valeen Tippetts Avery.
Also - http://feministmormonhousewives.org/
Great post Koda. I still need to be reminded why I left. I had a nightmare last night that I was at church with all these mormons hurling abuse at me while I continued to insist that I believed it to be a bunch of lies!! On a weird side note there were also a number of Maori men there and I got the impression that they were all considering that what I was saying could be the truth.
Thanks for the comments Daniel and Maureen!
ReplyDeleteI think the 'Moral Instruction' argument is kind of a preliminary step for people leaving. I know in my personal situation, while I'm as good as gone, my sweet wife is still struggling with it, and living in Utah, there are some very real issues we face. There are family struggles, I face the possibility of employment problems over it, and there will likely be some social impact as well.
But all that aside, I personally don't want my kids being lied to, no matter how good the intentions of those teaching the lie, nor the results.
Maureen... I went through the New Zealand MTC (Missionary Training Center) and part of that experience was learning how to share parts of the BOM with Maori's and other Polynesian groups, explaining their link back to Hagoth and Hawaiiki and then back from there to the Book of Mormon, Lehi and all of that. I wonder if the DNA problems with the BOM have had much impact there yet....