Tuesday, September 28, 2010

Where to do it

Alright, so hopefully the title got your attention, and before I tell you that this post has nothing to do with sex or anything dirty like that, I'd like to invite you to read it anyway, and if you have some input on the matter, please feel free to share your opinion at the end...

So there I was last night, driving with a good friend of mine to the gym. We've been following the Body For Life workouts, and I'm noticing some improvements, but that has nothing to do with this post.

Neither my friend nor I attend church services, at least not with any regularity. It does get tricky though, because while we both have issues with the local attitudes and leadership, he actually still thinks the guy at the top speaks to God, and I think they're mostly all full of crap. He still believes in Mormonism, and I'm pretty much an atheist.

So we're talking about matters spiritual, and he tells me about a guy whose been assigned to visit their family.

In a nutshell, they really like this guy. For some years he wasn't an active Mormon at all, and then he cleaned himself up, got married in the Temple, and then spent another 3 years soul searching, questioning and he claims to have looked at the Church from all sides.

How one can know the full extent of the history of the LDS Church, and still want to attend is something I struggle to understand, but then again, before my fall from grace, I couldn't understand why anyone would not choose to be a Mormon, so I guess it swings both ways.

Anyway, his reasoning for his now regular attendance, is that he does it for himself.

It's gotten me thinking...

There is an argument that often gets made by people who lose their faith, but still attend, that at least their kids are learning good morals and stuff like that.

The counter-argument however, is that in the process your kids learn some other stuff too... They learn that they're right and everyone who isn't a Mormon is wrong. They learn to choose the right, not because it's the right thing to do, but based on guilt and fear that a misogynistic, homophobic, war-mongering and Republican God will strike them down if they don't. And then you bring in the whole thing about lying and garbage like that.

So while kids may learn good stuff at Church, it's eclipsed by all the bad stuff.

It's got me thinking though... If I'm not going to attend Church, and I'm not going to encourage my kids to attend, what am I doing to improve myself and help improve them.

How can I teach them to respect others, be honest and that kind of thing?

Obviously I should do my best to be a good example, but I wonder if I shouldn't do more.

I'm wondering too about their secular education, but perhaps I'll approach that topic later in the week.

For now, I think perhaps I'll just plan on bringing this topic up over the dinner table tonight.

7 comments:

  1. For a long time after we stopped going to church, I did the whole flailing "what are we going to do we need to have tradition, ritual, someone to teach our kids what is right what is wrong and omg what are we gonna do and where're we gonna do it?"

    Even still, I have moments of "Well, secular FHE? Maybe?"

    Plenty of people do it without church, though. We're just gonna figure it out as we go. There's always joining clubs and crap like that, but your example and your taking advantage of--dare i say it--teachable moments will be sufficient.

    at least, i hope so.

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  2. Also, you should totally write a post on where to do IT.

    If you don't, I might.

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  3. Secular FHE... I like that, and then perhaps if, or rather when relatives try and bring up Churchy topics, we can just redirect to FHE - and they'll think we're still active!!

    Where to IT... We're still working on getting the 'Mormon' out of our love life, but I'm sure I can come up with something... Either way though, I think you should probably come up with one too!

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  4. My bf is Jewish and went to Hebrew school, but he says his parents never mentioned god in their home. He has been atheist as long as he can remember. He is also incredibly principled - honest, hard-working/responsible, good-hearted. I'll have to ask him (or his parents?) how they did it...

    I've also heard some people talk about the book "Good without God," I think it's somewhat of a parenting book for just the situation you're talking about, but I haven't taken a look yet...

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  5. What about talking to life-long atheists, and see how they've done it?

    They're hard to find; most I've known are reacting away from some religious tradition in their lives. So their moral compass, like it or not, still retains those religious influences. But I really believe most people raised without religion still turn out to be moral, productive citizens.

    I sort of understand your friend's dilemma. It's different because I haven't lost faith in Jesus, just in the institution as a whole that claims to follow Him. But if we don't go to church, where do we go as a family to regularly be around a whole group of people who are (hopefully) working daily to live the principles of love, forgiveness, service, etc.? I have no doubt non-Christians practice these things; I just haven't found another group setting where they are the focus.

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  6. I totally agree with you. There are too many harmful things taught at church to be worth it. We have been really trying to take opportunities to teach our kids right behavior in every day life. We talk a lot. I think that makes a big difference. But if you discover something that seems to work let us know.

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  7. All of my knowledge on this is limited by not being married and having kids (i wish to be married before having kids). But it's my understanding that some books, like 'Raising Free-Thinkers', are good to read. Also that there are some churches that may be decent to bring kids to, but you'd have to explore around first.

    That's my two cents. ... and yes, I thought it would be about sex.

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