Tuesday, November 16, 2010

Naive

The word Naive brings up a flurry of emotions and memories for me.

When I was about 18, I was dating a pretty cute girl. She was my first real girlfriend, one who I had pursued for a couple of months and finally won over.

It didn't last too long though. While I was attracted to her the second I saw her, the key to my real pursuit of her, may have been the class discussion in Geography some weeks later, in which it was revealed that she'd gotten a little drunk over the past weekend and given Alex - a former student - a blow job. Alex was his real name, and since I don't even know who the dude was, I think it safe to post that here.

Part of that revelation kind of shocked and repulsed me, and then part of it really spoke to me.

We'd been dating a month or two, when she offered to perform the same service on me. My Mormon upbringing got in the way, and I was trapped between...

OH BABY!!

And

NOOOOOOOOO!!!

I ended up freezing and stammering, following which she withdrew the offer, and the relationship proceeded to head south. I suspect that may have been the deciding factor.

What kind of real man turns down a blow job?!?

I remember my mother confronting me about the relationship one day... There were all kinds of new emotions for me and I was freaking out, and she began her conversation with... "Are you worried that XXXXXXX is pregnant?"

I wasn't... It was a bunch of other stuff, and to be honest I was completely shocked. On one hand I was impressed that she would think I was capable of impregnating a young lady, and yet on the other hand... WTF?!?

After a few more attempts to break through the now thick wall I had in place, my mother then informed me that Sister V thought I was incredibly naive about the world.

I'll get to Sister V in a minute, but this wasn't the first time my mother accused me of being naive.

Back when we lived in South Africa, I made the mistake of wondering allowed why the government wouldn't just allow black people to vote. There was yelling and screaming that time, and I think I ended up in my room. And the word "Naive" was used as well, in reference to my not understanding.

Naive... Maybe I am...

But let's get back to Sister V - Not necessarily her real name, but it's what we all called her... She was my early morning seminary teacher at Church. She put a lot of time and effort into her lessons, and I learned a lot.

One morning, during the whole period of confusion and mixed up emotions with the girlfriend mentioned above... She offered to give me a ride to school. It was hardly more than a mile or two, but within that short drive, she got me to completely open up about what was bothering me. She didn't judge, she didn't accuse, she just genuinely cared, and at the end of it all, she offered some insights and ideas.

The girlfriend wasn't a member, and so my folks weren't impressed that I was involved with her, plus we did risky stuff like hug and hold hands - TOO MUCH PHYSICAL CONTACT!!!! Sister V didn't seem to care. In many ways, she took my girlfriends position and explained how girls think. It didn't save the relationship, but it helped, and I left the car feeling loved and cared about.

Sister V was awesome, and a lady whom I still have incredible respect for.

I think my mother realized that, and tried to use that love and respect against me.

"Sister V thinks you're naive about the world"

My mother pulled that shit a lot. She could have taken the time to get to understand me, but instead it was accusations, judgment and manipulation.

She (well back when I still talked to her) bitched about how I would never confide in her. I did on several occasions, but it always came back to bite me in the ass.

My conversation with Sister V, never did though.

"Sister V. thinks you're naive"

Those words have haunted me ever since.

Recently though, I've read a couple of things about naivety which have put it in a favorable light. I read one such thing last night which used that word, and filled me with some amazing feelings.

I finished reading it right before bed, and I dozed off feeling inspired.

It's from here, and was sent to me by it's author, Mr. Chris Guillebeau.

I would highly, highly recommend his blog.


If you are confident, they will say you are arrogant.

If you are deliberate, they will say you are too sure of yourself.

If you have a sense of purpose, they will say you are self-absorbed.

If you know who you are, they will ask, “Who are you, anyway?”

If you believe in kindness and compassion, they will say you are naïve.

If you are a dreamer, they will say “join the real world.”

If you are a rebel, they will try to shut you down.

The instructions include:

rein it in
slow it down
wait it out

pull it back
take your time
play it safe

But you will know:

They are envious because they want what you have.

They are afraid of change even as they crave it.

They are projecting their own regret into resentment of you.

It’s not all bad news: some of them will sort themselves out and end up joining you. Because you are a good person and have had plenty of false starts of your own, you’ll understand and welcome them warmly. We’ve missed you! you’ll say. It’s about time you made it.

As for the others, well, you will remember what Gandhi said:

“First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win.”


Thank you Chris!

I've heard a lot of that from my parents, and my former church, and at the end of the day...

SCREW 'EM!!

"If you believe in kindness and compassion, they will say you are naïve."

That's also the reason I had trouble being a good Mormon!

Now... Time to make a difference in the world!

19 comments:

  1. My experience was always, "if you believe in kindness and compassion, they'll say you're an apostate".

    I have a hard time, though, getting from where you discuss rejecting a girl for not measuring up to your standard of what a "good" girl should be like, thus perpetuating the very sexism and rigidity of expectation repressing so many women, and praising yourself for your kindness and compassion.

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  2. Wait... What?!?

    I think perhaps more explanation is needed.

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  3. I'm in a meeting, but I'll try and explain more later.

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  4. First, you talk about how your relationship "went south" after this girl revealed herself to be a sexual human being, with independent wants and desires. Second, you talk about how "Sister V" thought you were "naive", presumably because you thought this way--as she seems, from what you've described, like a compassionate person. Third, you discuss how being naive is actually a *good* thing, and equate it with kindness and compassion.

    I actually find the message you quote somewhat offensive, as this idea that people could only possibly have a problem with you because you're so superior--"they are envious because they want what you have...they are projecting their own resentment on to you"--is precisely the Mormon church's attitude toward "inferior" people. "WE have the Gospel, and WE'RE saved, and you don't and you're not".

    The fact is, nobody's perfect--not even Mormons. Sometimes, people have quite legitimate issues with each other, that have absolutely nothing to do with "projecting projecting resentment". I don't know if this was your intention or not, but this post reads like a Priesthood talk.

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  5. I didn't get that at all... it sounded like it went south from the GIRL'S perspective, like she acted differently toward you after the "incident", did I misread?

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  6. On the naivity part... YAY! Celebrate! It is a compliment given by jealous people who are aware of and feel guilty about their own incredible hypocrisy, because they are out solely for their own gain and have no empathy or compassion for anyone else, but present an entirely different face to the world. The only way that's justifiable to them is if they tell themselves everyone else does it, too.

    I grew up in a pretty rough neighborhood. I taught school in special ed classrooms made up almost exclusively of juvenile delinquent males. Yet when I questioned folks close to me about their unethical business and political activities, guess what I got? "You're so naive."

    Welcome to the club!

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  7. "If you believe in kindness and compassion, they will say you are naïve."

    The qualifiers require that you define who "they" are and to who you direct the kindness and compassion.

    Back in the 50s-60s if "they" meant the Mormon church, and your kindness and compassion was toward the black community...you were naïve.

    Back in the late 70s if "they" meant the Mormon church, and your kindness and compassion was toward the Black community...you were NOT naïve.

    In the past if "they" meant the Mormon church, and your kindness and compassion was toward the LGBT community...you were naïve.

    As of this year, supposedly, if "they" means the Mormon church, and your kindness and compassion is toward the LGBT community...you are NOT naïve.

    And Pretty much anytime if "they" means the Mormon church, and your kindness and compassion is toward people who are apostate...you are most definitely naïve.

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  8. @ TGD, all I have to say is, YES!!! You are so right! Well said.

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  9. Thanks for the comments everyone, all good stuff!

    C.J. I can definitely see where you are coming from though, and hopefully I can clarify a few things and make it less offensive, since it was never intended as such.

    First, the girlfriend - let's call her Sunny, because that'll make it easier.

    The actual exchange was kind of humorous.

    Sonny: Guess what I want to do?
    Me: I don't know, what?
    Sonny: You know!
    Me: Actually I don't (Although I'm wondering if it's that thing you did with Alex).
    Sonny: You know! (And then she glances downward)
    Me: (Oh my gosh, oh my gosh!!! It is, it is!!! But that would be wrong and I have the priesthood, and I'm not supposed to want that, but... Oh my gosh, oh my gosh!!!)
    Sonny: So?
    Me: Ummmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm.....

    LONG AWKWARD SILENCE

    Sonny: Yes?
    Me: I don't know (But I really, really want to, but I don't think I do.... SO CONFUSING.)
    Sonny: OK, nevermind.
    Me: OK, I guess so (Because I can't want to want it - that would be evil and devilish)
    Sonny: No, I know you don't want to, and I don't want to make you do something you don't want to.
    Me: But I think I do, I just didn't think I was ready, but I think I am.

    It didn't seem to be a big deal at the time, but she really started pulling away from me after that.

    I thought it was a bunch of other stuff, and it may well have been. But in talking with a mutual friend sometime later, that came up, and the friend pointed out, how turning her down, may have been viewed as offensive on her part. I'm sure it wasn't all, but it may well have started it.

    All that said, I don't claim to have been a perfect little angel as a teenager. Not so much in this case, but oft times, my teenageness, and my mormoness translated into my being an absolute arsehole!

    It was my first romance and we were both idiot teenagers.

    Anyway, so that's the whole story with Sunny.

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  10. Sister V and the Naive comment. Her thinking I was naive was what my mother told me. I have no way of knowing if it was actually said or not. And it doesn't really matter.

    I don't think the comment had anything to do with my naivity in fact, but more to do with trying to get me to agree to something, or to shame me into choosing a different path.

    Sister V was simply an amazing and compassionate woman, still is. And I respect her a lot.

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  11. Speaking from the female perspective, the Mormon church--and, I think, any conservative, fundamentalist church--puts women in an impossible position. On the one hand, indoctrination aside, you're a living, breathing human being with independent desires. Most healthy women have a strong sex drive; it's a myth that men and women somehow differ in this area. When men feel tempted to act on their desires, though, it's seen as understandable--thus the church's many programs to repurpose young mens' energy elsewhere. When women feel tempted, though, it's seen as a sign of sin, of some innate flaw.

    Women are supposed to be completely asexual, until they get married. Which...how is that supposed to happen? She may have felt offended, but she almost certainly felt rejected. Sex puts people in an incredibly vulnerable position.

    There are lots of up-sides to segregation of the sexes, to a limited degree, but one down-side is that many Mormon men seem absolutely clueless as to how women (Mormon or otherwise) think and feel.

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  12. And finally, the part I included from Chris Guillebeau's blog...

    A lot of it depends on who they is, just like TGD said. For me, they generally refers to the Church. It means other people at other times, but most of the time, it's the rigid, closed minded way I lived the first 30 years of my life, and the people who were a part of that, whether they did it intentionally or not.

    You have to visit Chris' blog to see what he's about, but perhaps if I can summarize... His thing is The Art of Non-conformity.

    It comes down to being yourself and following your dreams. Its rejecting what is expected of you, rejecting cultural norms and trying to forge your own path.

    I don't think Chris has ever explicitly said this, but I think he implies it, and it's my opinion that his approach includes this... It's about not imposing your own cultural views and expectations on others.

    The superiority it talks about is conquering yourself, and not being subject to expectations of others.

    You can't talk people into that idea, they have to find it themselves. And when they do...

    HAPPY DAY!!

    Hopefully that explains it enough. I can definitely see such a quote being given in Church, or as a priesthood talk, with the idea of 'The Gospel' being the end prize, but I think that talk would lack sincerity, and would be an attempt to impose that ideal on others.

    I never want to impose my ideas on others - at least not any more, I've got too many regrets from my mission times - but if I can share something, or pass something along which encourages, uplifts, enlightens, or otherwise helps people become more than they are before... I strive for that!

    Does that make the whole thing sound better?

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  13. I think it's definitely true that, sometimes, other people's judgments are borne from rage, or jealousy, or frustrated expectations. I've definitely been on the receiving end of that. Sometimes, it really is the other guy.

    But one piece of advice I started giving myself when I was a teenager--I had a rough time after my dad died, and didn't exactly endear myself to my friends and family--was: if it's one person, it's them. If it's more than one person, it's probably you. Which, again, sometimes that's true, and sometimes it's not. We're all "ugly ducklings" in some environments and "swans" in others. But, as an operative assumption, "that other guy has issues" probably does more harm than good.

    I once had a friend whose comments, for the longest time, I interpreted as "openness". I--in my own bout with naivete--admired her truthfulness. Eventually, I realized, to my dismay, that what I'd seen as perspicacity was really just a bizarrely high degree of comfort with her own judgmentalism. She very easily cast the blame on others, while she, herself, was blameless. Which, ultimately, this story brings me back to my favorite soapbox: the Golden Rule. I wonder, how many self-described "individuals" and "crusaders" accord the same respect (and simple tolerance) to others that they demand for themselves?

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  14. Good advice for sure!!

    I think that's the key isn't it... Making sure you afford others the same respect you demand for yourself!

    There is a lot more to all of this in my personal life with respect to my parents, which I haven't and don't intend to share here. It's something I need to deal with fully, because often it leaks through into posts like this.

    Physically, it's been dealt with, but it has some lingering effects.

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  15. You're wise in that regard. Although my blog is anonymous, some of my real life friends do read it...and I've gotten in trouble for writing about some real life situations on my blog. Including a couple where I wasn't actually writing about what the person in question decided I was writing about.

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  16. "They are envious because they want what you have.
    They are afraid of change even as they crave it.
    They are projecting their own regret into resentment of you."

    I think this is the only part that causes problems because it ascribes motivations to people whom you couldn't possibly know the truth about. It IS naive to think we know if their motivations any better than they know of ours.

    I don't think that's what you intended, though. I enjoyed the overall message you were trying to convey in this blog post.

    As to your passing up on the opportunity with Sonny... don't get me started, don't EVEN get me started on the number of times I naively passed up "opportunities" as a young man that I'd jump at now!

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  17. @DadsPrimalScream... The person who develops a device which lets us have do-overs is going to be the richest man ever!! I can only think of a handful of opportunities I'd want to try again, but they would no doubt lead to more and more...

    Perhaps context is the biggest thing for the phrase you quoted. For me, the time when this was the most apparent in my life was when I was planning on quitting my job to pursue my own company. Simply sharing that dream with people brought out the most amazing (and not in a good way) reactions. For the most part these were people who were dissatisfied with their lives, hated their jobs and were looking for something more.

    True, I couldn't know absolutely why they said what they said, but I think my guess was pretty close!

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