Thursday, July 8, 2010

What I Write

Mrs Koda and I had a wee little chat an Monday... We were in the car with a couple of the young ones when she brought it up, and she was being all secretive about it too... I thought (It was my birthday on Monday) that perhaps it might involve some fun marital type activities in the evening, but it turns out that it was about something completely different...

So the disappointment on the part of yours truly aside, it was actually a rather important type chat, and it's had me thinking a lot.

Since deciding that I'm done with Mormonism, I've been considering things which have here-to-for been forbidden. Nothing too crazy like sexual orgies, illicit drugs or heading to Vegas for a weekend of debauchery and excess. Actually, I'm starting to wonder if perhaps I think about sex too much...?

Anyway, so all that crazy stuff aside, things like coffee, tea, and perhaps the odd sip of beer or wine have passed through my mind. I don't want to go on some wild spree, like a teenager let out into the real world who takes everything to excess, but just wondering what I've been missing out on - just the stuff which the rest of the world sees as normal.

Man - what's with all the tangents?!? So what I was trying to get to 3 paragraphs back... Sometimes when I'm at the grocery store, I might check out the coffee makers, or I may check out the beer selections (Which with Utah's liquor laws) is pretty minimal and it's all 3.2%, so I'm not even sure it qualifies as beer. A few weeks back while Mrs Koda, the kids and Grandma where shopping and as they walk by the displays of coffee makers, one of the kids pipes up that "Dad really wants a coffee maker!" which caused Mrs Koda to develop cold sweats and a rapid drop in blood pressure, but garnered the following response from Grandma, "I've always wondered if Hot Chocolate would taste better in one of those too."

Anyway, it was a close call. We've already had the chat with them, that even though we don't attend Church very much any more, it's not something they need to share with Grandma. We talked about how if a lady asked if she looks fat (and she does) saying yes, isn't the best answer. Sometimes we need to consider peoples feelings, and Grandma thinks going to Church is very important. That, and Mom and Dad are a little to scared to share with Grandma that the problems at Church are a little more than "Dad has a few disagreements with the local leaders."

Anyway, so we talked about how much of a lifestyle change we might consider making and what to tell the kids... It was a good little chat, and probably needs some more chatting, but we've decided that until we can come clean with the extended family, that we probably don't want to be putting our kids in difficult situations, or making our problems theirs.

So, after that long introduction...

The conversation got me thinking about the things I blog about.

I've blogged about problems I have with LDS Church History, because much of what I've been taught through my life is a lie, and it's both cathartic to share those things for me, and I hope it helps others deal with these things as well.

I've blogged about my current opinion of Church Leaders, because these are men who put themselves up on pedestals and pay lip service to the idea of truth, meanwhile actively deceiving their followers and lying outright about a lot of things.

I've blogged about the effect of Mormonism on marital relations, especially as it pertains to sexuality in marriages, because that is something which has effect me as well, and I think might be useful for other to hear.

There is other stuff which I will likely blog about, but there are some things which I likely won't blog about.

Mormons have a lot of secret/sacred stuff. A lot of people who leave like to discuss that, and I don't really see a problem with that. Personally though, even though I think I was coerced into a lot of it, I did give my word not to share it at the time, and so I'm not real comfortable discussing it in a public forum. That said however, if anyone really wants to know, I feel that much of that should be discussed, but in a format other than on a blog. You're welcome to contact me if you're curious. That, and discussing this stuff seems to make you a lightning rod for the Mormon Gestapo at headquarters.

Some lifestyle changes. The problem with leaving is that people generally assume that there are only a couple of reasons for leaving Mormonism. Either you've been offended, or you've committed some grievous sin, and can't stand to be around the truth, or you want to commit some grievous sin and have to leave so you don't feel guilty. In my case and most others, none of those apply. I have plenty to be offended about, believe me, but that wasn't why I left. And up until I found out about all the lying and deceit, I was Mr. Good Mormon Boy. Paid my tithing, paid more than I should have in offering and said yes to everything I was asked to do. Mrs. Koda and I have been categorized as one of the 10 families that could be counted on to do what we where told - even in the ward we are currently assigned to - or at least we were. We were good, good Mormons, and so the idea that we left due to sin, or in order to sin is laughable at best.

All that aside though, now that I've moved past all the wacky definitions of sin, I'm curious about what's out there. I don't want admissions of any kind being used as 'reasons' for my apostasy or anything like that, and so I probably won't be blogging much about those either.

The bottom line is... I use this blog to vent my frustrations, but as time goes on, I want it to serve as a support within the community of those who leave Mormonism. I got to spend some time with a couple of fellow ex-mo bloggers this past weekend, and there was something remarkably comforting about being amongst people who've been where you have been and are on a similar path to you. It makes you not feel alone, and justifies your decisions in many ways.

I suspect many remain in Mormonism because they're too afraid to leave, too afraid what it will do to their families, and the impact it will have on their social and cultural environments. I hope to help free those people, as I work towards freeing myself.

15 comments:

  1. Sounds reasonable to me.

    I wrote a whole big thing about excitement coming from the freedom to choose the behaviors rather than the behaviors themselves, but I haven't had enough coffee yet this morning to make much sense. Maybe later (it sounds so good in my head).

    Glad you are finding real-life support.

    Still trying to figure out how to make hot chocolate in a coffee pot...

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  2. Ah yes, the eternal "No coffee/tea" commandment that never existed. After all, I don't see them in Section 89 anywhere. It's actually quite fun to see people's reactions when I tell them I drink green tea and, even better, when I explain to them how one of the greatest sources of income for church members in the early days of settling Utah was via brewing beer.

    I'll never end my crusade against considering the Word of Wisdom as a tenet of the Law of Moses because it never was and never will be. It has always been a principle of self-mastery and moderation (one example is that a pint of beer acts as a natural anti-depressant). Ever wonder why Utah has some of the highest rates of depression, OTC drug use, and subscriptions to online porn sites? My opinion is that these people think any exposure to things that alleviate these problems is evil and thus have no methods through moderate self-control, so of course they'll end up feeling crushed and broken, then guilty.

    You're worried that you might be thinking too much about sex and that's the first step to taking control of yourself. I've learned it's far better (and easier to remain humble) when recognizing my own shortcomings before they have to be pointed out by someone else.

    I also find the excuse of thinking people want to leave the church to commit sin is incredibly lame (and people who actually try to use that as an excuse are even worse): we're all going to commit sin because we're imperfect humans, whether or not we're in or out of the church and we'll still be held accountable for them either way. On the flip side, even if I should leave the church because it no longer meets my spiritual needs (and most of it hasn't for a long time), I have no plans to enter a life of debauchery claiming to be "free" from the consequences.

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  3. Clink... I think the idea is that you put the powder in the filter, and then 'brew it up' as you would with coffee. Not quite sure how it would be difference from regular hot chocolate, but perhaps I need to try it one day to see.

    Dave P. The other excuse I love is the "You just can't take the pressure of being a member...", clearly uttered by someone who has no idea what it takes to leave.

    From what I've read, the WoW was more just a myth which evolved based on comments heard by members and then implemented as gospel. As far as I know it never went from suggestion to commandment anywhere in history. The only possibly quote was by Brigham Young, and history suggests that even after making that, he still continued to use tobacco and alcohol for a couple of decades more.

    I think there was a time when hot drinks was even interpreted to apply to soup and things like that. Of course that may have been part of the Mormon Reformation. That probably warrants a whole post by itself... My prior bishop shared it once with the Ward Council, and then declared that he thought another Mormon Reformation was needed to clean out the Lord's house... Just another of the reasons I cite for my desire to get the hell out!!

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  4. Go to Starbucks. Do not pass Starbucks. Get something with loads of sugary additives and celebrate life! There is a reason the whole world drinks coffee.....because it's that good.

    I went to a local coffee house (Cafe Ibis) for my first time out and when they asked if they could help me I said, "Yes, I'll be needing lots of help as this is my first latte ever and first drink of coffee in 15 years!" Even in this culture, they found my statement to be unbelievable. Then, they proceeded to patiently explain all the things they could do to coffee for me. I chose a few additives and absolutely loved it!!!

    Also, there's nothing like the smell of opening the coffee grounds storage cabinet in your kitchen and having the smell of coffee stimulate the senses of life!

    Pint of beer - natural antidepressant - true story as confirmed by my doctor. Alcohol works on the exact same receptors in the brain as happy pills. Check out this Mayo Clinic report:

    http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/alcohol/SC00024

    or Harvard:

    http://www.hsph.harvard.edu/nutritionsource/what-should-you-eat/alcohol-full-story/index.html

    And, we all think about sex a lot. If you're paying the bills, loving your wife, and waking up in your bed every morning, then your sex thought patterns are likely within reason....hahahaha.

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  5. Here's what we told our kids (the older ones anyway 5 & 8).
    We believed that the church was true right?
    Well, we found something that leads us to believe it's not true. Should we keep following all the teachings if we don't believe it's true? (no)
    They get it. They really do. Kids are smart. But they are also brainwashed to think coffee is the same as alcohol. We had to fix that. Adults (teens?) drink coffee. It's normal. Alcohol is for adults only. No judging. They get it.
    You are the parents. "Lead them, guide them" to normalcy. But of course, keep up on the "we don't tell Grandma everything" counsel.

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  6. CaraDee - I like that, and that's pretty much how the conversation would go with us.

    Our biggest cause for concern with the Church is the lying, and our concern with the kids, especially when it comes to not telling Grandma, is that in a way, we're asking them to lie for us.

    Grandma, as wonderful a person as she is, is likely to ask about things if she suspects something, and I think it highly likely the kids will be asked... Our kids are good, but keeping their mouths shut is not their strongest talent either. We just don't want to put them in a situation where they have to choose between being honest and defending us with a lie...

    I think though, perhaps while we might not (And by which I mean - mostly me!) partake of the "evils" of this world, in their presence, I think perhaps the message that alcohol and coffee aren't bad when used appropriately, is a lesson we definitely need to start teaching them.

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  7. Rock has those questions of yours about the WoW already covered:

    http://puremormonism.blogspot.com/2009/06/too-bad-i-dont-like-beer.html

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  8. Good link!! I think it may have been the first post of his I read.

    I don't have questions about the WoW... I think the decisions I face are more to do with changing course without making waves... To which I don't think any answers exist, and at some point, waves will be made, no matter how I turn.

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  9. Exactly. There will be waves. It's okay tho.

    In our experience, it is just best to come out and tell the family outright. At least the parents anyway. Then you can do what you want without being scared of being "caught". Remember, you are an adult. Do what is right for your family and let everyone deal with it however they may. You might be surprised. And this is talking from experience. My Mom is saddened of course, and feels like she failed, but she's over it in a way now. Being secretive is just too much work.
    I think this has taught me that we are perpetually children in the church. When you leave it, become an adult and do what you will with no apologies. Own this.

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  10. 3.2% is not real beer. There. Tht's the only part I feel expert enough to comment on.

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  11. I also love when members say that by leaving we “took the easy way out”. Seriously?!?! If anyone says that to me I might just have to punch them in the face. It sure as hell is not easy, but it’s honest. It’s nice when you don’t have to hide things from people, but there will be judgments that come with it. It’s the way it is and it’s not going to change. You just have to develop a thick skin and not care what people think; which is, of course, easier said than done.

    Btw, you’re a dude. I’m pretty sure you’re not thinking about sex too much; just being normal.

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  12. Great Post. I went through (am going through) similar process. You've left but just by sheer habit you're saying "No I don't do certain things." Then after awhile you realize, "Wait. Why am I holding myself to a moral code that I no longer believe is divinely originated?"

    And you are absolutely right that once you begin participating in the doctrinal and dogmatic no-no's of Mormonism, the whole reason you left will suddenly have become about whatever particular vice it was they saw you doing.

    All that being said, here are my suggestions to think about as begin your slide into debauchery:

    1. Starbucks - Summer - Any type of cold frappucino (almost like a coffee shake. Winter - Cafe Mocha (it's like half hot chocolate, half coffee)
    2. Utah Liquor Stores - As annoying as the whole concept of it is, it makes beer tasting affordable because you can buy them one bottle at a time. And in the Liquor stores, the beer can exceed 3.2%.
    3. Out to dinner with Mrs Koda to drive? Margaritas and daiquiries. To the kids, it only looks like fruit drinks.
    4. Rum and coke.
    5. Bailey's Irish and Hot chocolate.
    6. Since you're saving 10% a month now, look for local opportunities to donate time or money. Plus, giving $20 to somebody who knocks on my door for abc charity doesn't seem so hard anymore.
    7. R-rated movies (if you previously subscribed to that)
    8. Your wife can have more than one earring per ear now.
    9. Tattoos. Although, I actually haven't found anything cool enough that I want it on my body until the grave.

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  13. Thanks TJ! Please don't assume that my slide into debauchery hasn't happened. I'm just choosing not to blog about it - well not yet... Watch me blow that whole plan up with my next comment!

    Nice list, with a few variations on a couple of the items... I think I'm already 9/9, or will be soon... I'm still working on the final design for number 9... The central piece of with is the M-Dot symbol from my Ironman.

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  14. Hi UK,

    I'm glad you stopped by so I could find out about your blog as well.
    As far as the thinking about sex thing, I once read of a guy whose teenage daughter was really struggling with thoughts of hurting people. She was nearly depressed about it and reluctantly opened up to her dad. He counseled her in such a way to understand that your thoughts and your actions are two completely different things. You should be able to think whatever it is you want to. It's your reaction and subsequent actions based on those thoughts that really matter.
    Anyway, great blog and congrats on your enlightenment.

    LivingWithMormons

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  15. Thanks LVM!

    Perhaps I should add... Just to put everyone's mind at ease... My sex comment was somewhat tongue in cheek.

    I think about it a lot, I don't mind thinking about it, and I'm pretty sure I'm normal!

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